crossbow proposal!

[kepone cats]

For those of you that do not know, the VDGIF is proposing an amendment which would legalize the use of crossbows for hunting during any season where bows are legal.

This means that many of the gun hunters and muzzleloaders who do not bow hunt will likely purchase crossbows and stink up the woods during october. The deer will be educated faster, more cripples, more hunting accidents, more road hunting etc. The handicapped will no longer have an advantage either.

See the VDGIF website for details. Public hearings will be held and comments taken.

Of course a crossbow license must be purchased. $$$$$$$$ talks!

Speak your voice.

-Kepone

[Tom Powers]

I was at the general assembly when this when through the House Committee, my impression was that it is on the fast track for implementation.

Tom

[buckeye]

Ohio has allowed crossbow hunting for almost 20 years. If you are against it you will get used to it. It is just the way thing are. It offers more people a better opertunity to hunt. And for the record I use a vertical limb bow!

[Tail Chaser]

From the crossbow's I've seen, the speed isn't that much more than today's modern bows w/ range @ +- 40 yrds so, it shouldn't really effect pressure that much and getting that close to game is the real trick anyway.

[naked goby]

The people who need a crossbow can already get a permit to use one. I don't see a need for making it legal for everyone. Although I am seeing a pattern. BPS moved to MD and MD started a crossbow season. BPS moves to VA and now we might get a season. You know how many crossbows were sold at BPS in MD when there was just the rumor there was going to be a season? They couldn't keep them stocked!

And don't forget that crossbow make the almost perfect poaching weapon. You can shoot them out your truck windo and they don't make any sound.....something to think about.

[RANGER690]

What the hell difference does it make to a person who is poaching? Do you think he cares if it is a legal weapon during the day, or this week or month. That doesn't hold water.

And, who cares if someone wants to hunt with a crossbow? I don't. Let people do what they want. Do your thing, let them do theres. At least they have to get close to a deer. Now dogs....that is an unfair advantage. Get rid of that.

You guys worry too much. Get back to the fishing boards and whine about gas prices.

Dayton

[Tracker12]

I agree Ranger. If you want to hunt with a cross bow go for it. I see a lot of cripples shot with a gun.

[moronehead]

I agree with the yahoo factor. First the smokepoles in the middle of the rut, now everybody will be stinking up the the woods from Sept til Nov with their crossbow in hand.

[RKOCH]

I have a crossbow and it is dead on balls accurate to 100 or so it is awsome. Hell I can tag out in bow season now hell yes.

[AdamCSA79]

I read about that on VDGIF's website last week and immediately e-mailed them and stated my disapproval. If you need to use archery equipment that has been converted into a rifle then you don't need to be in the woods. Crossbows are a cop out and they are for wusses. With the exception of the physically handicapped, I have no problem with a handicapped person otherwise unable to use a bow and arrow using a crossbow to partake in the archery season.

And for the record, I agree with Ranger......I hate dog hunting for deer. Outlaw dogs during deer season.

[Stickin Em]

Up to 50 yards, I'll put my Hoyt up against any crossbow.

[RANGER690]

Until Mathews makes a crossbow, what is the point anyway? Right?[grin]

[Stickin Em]

Exactly. I've shot several of the higher end crossbows over the last 3-4 years. Not impressed.
The bad thing is that you'll have new "hunters" out there during bow season thinking they can shoot anything at any distance. True, crossbows will kill some deer, but the biggest impact they'll have is all the unexperienced people in the woods early spreading their scent and you'll have a lot more crippled and gut shot deer.

[RKOCH]

Here we gp with the ethics commitee again. A dead deer is a dead deer who cares how it happens. I am a meat hunter not an ethics hunter.

[fish1]

I love killing deer, I have 4 compounds and 2 crossbows, killed deer with all but the new MATTHEWS LX, I believe it's the closeness that keeps me bow hunting.

Use whatever, just be the best at whatever ranges you shoot.

Bill[excited]

[Tail Chaser]

Agree 100% dead is dead but, @ +- 350 fps w/ the noise that one of those xbows makes the deer would be in the next county before an arrow got to him @ more than 50 yrds. unless it was just luck & or the right conditions.

Just my guess, I haven't shot one so maybe some of you guys shooting them can give a better idea.

Russ

[RKOCH]

I do shoot one and it is much faster than that. I can shoot dead on at 100 yards with no problem and mine is not that loud at all. Put a starlight scope on it and you would be in there.

[RUBLEML]

I CANT WAIT!!I WILL HUNT ANYWAY THEY LET ME!!THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY DEER ANYWAY!YOU CANT KILL ENOUGH AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED!!!NEXT YEAR I WILL BE ABLE TO KILL 2 DOE A DAY THE WHOLE YEAR AND IM GOING TO TRY,THATS FOR DAMN SURE!!!

[Croakers]

I really want to see a crossbow that shoots DEAD ON at 100 yards. Anybody taking a 100 yard shot with any bow, needs not to be hunting, period. 100 yards, dead on, BS. T.

[RKOCH]

Well slick let me tell you 100 is no problem and I have never had a deer run more than 50 yards or so after hitting one art that range. I have a video from Bass Pro that shows these 2 shoot an elk at 150 and had no problems. Put all those myths aside. Hell I have killed deer with my bow at 65 yards and it is slow as hell. Once again I am not on the ethics commitee I kill deer. Plus who cares if you can wound it you can kill it you just have to track him alittle.

[Stickin Em]

Well said Croakers. And Mr. RKOCH, I wasn't trying to be ethical. I am not against any type of hunting. I was just saying how I thought this would affect bowhunting.

[RKOCH]

Nothing aginst you sir. I was talking mainly about Mr Croakers belief that 100 yards is out of the question and not reasonable with a crossbow. When I have done it.

[tla53]

First of all I also own a crossbow. It shoots at 320 fps. It's made by Parker Bow Co. They have many compound bows out now that shoot at 315+ fps. Not much difference. The only major difference I see in using a crossbow as compared to a compound bow is you have to make the draw just before you shoot. Technology has made that easier too. As far as more people being in the woods stinking up the place. Thats just another cop out. And all I've heard about crossbow hunting has been just that. COP OUTS!! Hey most people in the state of Virginia hunt private land in hunt clubs or individually owned. Police yourselves, if you don't want to use crossbows don't. But give people a choice of there weapons. If they legalize crossbows police yourselves. As far as money, that's how we protect and manage our wildlife thru research and policing hunting laws. I really don't see a huge influx of people going into the woods because of crossbows. If anything you might see the existing bow hunters trying the crossbows and sure some new people having an opputunity to enjoy hunting of a different kind. I've heard some reasons for not allowing crossbows but none are legitimate reason. I've heard reasons like Dumbing down the sport, less of a challenge, stinking up the woods, poachers using them at night, give me a break, please if there is a legitimate reason I haven't heard it yet.

[naked goby]

I worked at BPS in Baltimore when they were proposing legalizing crossbows. Let me tell you...they were the cream of the crop when it came to hunting. It is because of people like them I am glad I have 400 acres all to myself!

And Ranger, if you don't want to aleart the neighbors about your poaching, the crossbow is the way to do it. Ever try shooting a compound out a truck window?

As far as shooting a deer at 100 yards with a crossbow. Sure you can....but that doesn't mean you should. You can kill a deer at a 100 yards with a longbow. Again doesn't mean you should. Hold any bow at a 45 degree angle and shoot....see how far it goes.

So RKoch, I'm just curious how high is your arrow at say 30 yards inorder to hit balls on at 100?

My Parker shoots about 300 fps and probably drops 5 inches between 30 and 50 yards.

And lets not forget the wind factor. A 10 mph wind can blow a 1 ox shotgun slug 10 inches off center. How does your crossbow dart preform in wind....or are you shooting in a vacum?

I wonder if we can get them legalized for just the eastern part of the state....

[willtill]

naked goby originally wrote:
Again doesn't mean you should. Hold any bow at a 45 degree angle and shoot....see how far it goes.

Now I've always wondered how far my arrow would really go. Think that I'll step out back and let one loose before the sun goes down. Hope it clears the housing development

[grin]

Kindest Regards,

-Will in Maryland

[itsallgood]

ridiculous post and for the most part, even more ridiculous responses..

[RANGER690]

Doesn't matter. I am always right![grin]

[RKOCH]

So RKoch, I'm just curious how high is your arrow at say 30 yards inorder to hit balls on at 100?

My Parker shoots about 300 fps and probably drops 5 inches between 30 and 50 yards.

And lets not forget the wind factor. A 10 mph wind can blow a 1 ox shotgun slug 10 inches off center. How does your crossbow dart preform in wind....or are you shooting in a vacum?



My arrow is about the same as your drop at 50 I am 6 inches high I have just gotten very good at compensating for range.

Oh yes wind will blow it all over the place if it is blowing that hard then don't shoot. However I was an Army sniper so hitting a target in the wind is not that hard with the propper compensation.

[ketch69]

I'll stick to my Parker Ultralite 31 and let the crossbow guys take the 100 yard shots,BS.

[kepone cats]

itsallgood originally wrote:
ridiculous post and for the most part, even more ridiculous responses..


381 views and at the top of the board.
Ridiculous post? No
Ridiculous amendment/proposal? Somewhat
Is it driven by the almighty dollar? Probably
Will it go through? If bowhunters who oppose it do not speak up, it's a good chance.

I got a paper the other day from Green Top. They were advertising crossbows and talking about the NEW (?) Crossbow hunting regulations as if it were a done deal.

What a disgrace...

-Kepone Cats

[earlyriser]

right on kepone, i think it is all about the dollar

[Butthead]

I think you guys are way off on the crossbows. They are actually a more lethal weapon to use for deer, than a longbow. They are more accurate, there is less chance of human error affecting your shot, and they require much less movement to shoot than a long bow.

Other than that, They really don't have any advantages over longbows...especially range. 40 yards is about the max, so you still need to get close to get a shot.

Now in Virginia, you can use a high powered rifle in most of the state. Talk about ridiculous....Get to within 300 yards and pull the trigger...yeah thats sporting!!

[RKOCH]

300 yards with a high power rifle whats the problem with that much more sporting than chasing one with 50 dogs and wounding him with buckshot. Sure I dog hunt too but a rifle is where it is at one shot one kill death from a far.

[Butthead]

didn't say anyhting was wrong with it, I just don't know how some of you guys can b!tch about using a crossbow, when you can use a rifle. I forgot about dogs.....don't even get me started.

Although I would like to try it once...my dad use to hunt with dogs when he lived in Canada. He says it's real exciting, when you hear them howling and coming in your direction. (but don't tell anyone I said that)[grin]

[RANGER690]

I believe that most of the bit-hing is because most of the bowhunting crowd just doesn't want to share the woods with anymore folks.

I shoot highpower competition with a .223. I know what a tiny wiggle does to accuracy at 100 yards with a rifle. To take that shot with an arrow is, in my opinion, slob hunting. Legal, yes; Smart, no.

I don't care if people use crossbows. Some days I wish for someone to stir the woods up a bit. I have had deer scared to me by those idiots that wait until 30 minutes before sunset to stomp around and strap on their climber.

Don't sweat the small stuff. If VDGF can issue a new license and get more money they will. I don't care.

Might want to go ahead and start crying about the overall license prices going up. It is coming. Probably next year. And should be a good increase.

Dayton

[vaflounder73]

YOU KNOW THIER IS A SAYING THAT GOES: NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO OR NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO THIER ARE ALWAYS A BUNCH OF THEM IN THE CROWD!!!!!!! AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE IF YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT VOTEING FOR THE CROSSBOW LAW TO GET PASSED SO YOU CAN HUNT WITH ONE WHEN YOU DO NOT NEED TO IF YOU HAVE TO CROSSBOW HUNT THEN IF YOUR DOC SEES THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HUNT WITH A COMPOUND THEN GET YOUR NOTE SIGNED AND OFF HUNTING YOU GO AND THAT IS FINE IF YOU HAVE THE PASSION TO BOWHUNT AND YOU CANNOT FOR SOME MEDICAL REASONS THEN YES YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO HUNT WITH A CROSSBOW THAT IS WHY VA HAS THE LAW AND IF YOU LOVE THE OUTDOORS THAN ITS THIER FOR YOU . BUT IF YOU ARE JUST WAITING FOR THE LAW TO BE PASSED SO YOU CAN RUN OUT AND BUY ONE TO HUNT WITH CAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY!!!!!!!! AND SKILLS TO HUNT LIKE A WOODSMAN WITH A RECURVE OR COMPOUND THEN THIER IS ANOTHER QUOTE FOR YOU : ALL YOU WANA BE CANDY ASS RUDY POOH COUCH RIDING JOCKEYS WISH I WAS A REAL BOWHUNTER OH I NEED A CROSSBOW CAUSE I'M TO BIG OF A P*#*@Y TO HUNT WITH A COMPOUND!! YOU JUST STAY ON THE COUCH KEEP WATCHING OLN!! AND LET THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND NOT HAVEING TO WORRY ABOUT ANY JACKASS IN THE WOODS RUNNING AROUND WITH THIER NEW TOYS PRETENDING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE NOT ( THAT WOULD BE A BOWHUNTER FOR YOU PEOPLE WHO DID NOT GET THAT)!!!! I PRAY EVERYNIGHT THAT THIS LAW DOES NOT GET PASSED I MEAN FACE IT WE DEAL WITH ENOUGH STUPID PEOPLE ON A DAY TO DAY BASES WE TRY TO GET IN THE WOODS TO GET AWAY FROM THEM!!!!



ANYWAY KEEP THE TIPS SHARP KEEP IT IN THE KILL ZONE AND GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE REAL BOWHUNTERS OF VIRGINIA CCP IV

[RANGER690]

http://www.strugglingreaders.com/images/jpegs/Punctuation.jpg

So sorry to hear that your prayers are not going to be answered. Maybe you are not living right.

Centerfire rifles, shotguns, buckshot, slugs, crossbows, compound, recurve, longbow, in-line muzzleloader, percussion caps, musket caps, shotgun primers, spears, rocks, atlatl......

I don't care. But you are entitled to your opinion. Try to get some sleep.

Dayton







http://www.kufs.ac.jp/center/joho_hp/q&a/nyuryoku/capslock.gif ...it is there for you!

[vaflounder73]

See i told you guys that they were in every crowd. Here is a class ass i mean act! Get some sleep how stupid is that is that the best you have????? Anyway i cannot wait to see how many more come circling out of the crowd.

[RANGER690]

I never claimed to be that bright. But I am definitly the "one in every crowd". Thanks for noticing.

Dayton

[kepone cats]

Dayton you just couldn't let that one slide could you? [grin]

[RUBLEML]

Maybe he was holding his breath while typing!!!

[vaflounder73]

[excited] Will i guess i can see from the replies so far that thier are no intelligent people in this forum (chesapeake hunting). Wow and these are the people that are just sitting and waiting to ruin it for bowhunters of va. I figured that thier would be one intelligible person in this forum that would have a grown up reply!!! Hey for the last three people that responded have your moms and dads. Explain the big words to you in this thread from the dictionary.

[Stickin Em]

Eye dont think their are any intelijable people hear neither?[grin]

[vaflounder73]

thank you [smile]

[RANGER690]

Don't have a fit flounder pounder. There are plenty of fine, smart folks here. I am just not one of them.

Just pulling your chain on the crossbow thing. Mainly because we can't do anything about it and in the big scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

So, take it easy and don't sweat it.

Now, go back and correct that last "sentence". Try to find a more better place for the period and following capital letter.[wink]

Glad to see you got that pesky cap lock button unstuck.

October will be here before we know it. With any luck, I can harvest a real nice buck this year. If a wounded one (from an ill placed 100 yd shot) staggers by, I might just have a chance at drawing on him.[smile]

Dayton

[Big Cat]

pounderflounder have a fit Don't. here. There fine, smart folks are plenty of one of them I am just not .

chain on the crossbow thing Just pulling your . because Mainly can't do anything we about it and in the doesn't matter it really big scheme of things .

So, sweat it and don't take it easy .

Now"sentence". , go back and correct that last Try period to find a more better place for the capital letter and following.

Glad unstuck Dayton to see you pesky cap lock button got that .

I October will be here buck before we know it. With any , I can luck a real nice this year. If a just harvest wounded one (from an ill placed drawing on him staggers by, might have a chance at . 100 yd shot)

[kepone cats]

we love you flounder. take a chill. Pill
You have a connection with some nice flounder fillets?[grin]

[RKOCH]

vaflounder73 originally wrote:
[excited] Wow and these are the people that are just sitting and waiting to ruin it for bowhunters of va.

How do you figure there is no difference in the 2 they are both bows as far as I am concerned. Go take that ethics Bull$hit and feed it to someone else. There were alot of deer I could have killed if I cloud just have reached out alittle father now I can. The name of the game is killing deer. Period and I am going to kill as many as posible anyway I can.

[justfishin]

My son and his 2 friends have been crossbow hunting in Ohio the last couple years ( supervised of course ) and have done well . Actually very well , we even butchered them and made jerky , burgers , steak , filet of ... ect..... Instead of sending them to a processor ( more family time ) They can be very accurate and it is a matter of ethical shooting and being responsible. Rock on.... Ex Mt.vernon Ohio guy where the big deer are...... right Buckeye [wink]

[ketch69]

Hey RKOCK.........I hope you kill em all.

Ever thought about a positive post insead of always busting someones chops.

And by the way, we all know by now that you are gonna kill every deer that comes near you because you have made it clear at least 100 times. If we all managed the heard like you there would not be one!

[AdamCSA79]

Hey folks....let's quit arguing. It's in VDGIF's hands. There are several meetings taking place so they can hear your views on the topic and there is a place on the web you can send your thoughts online. Go to www.dgif.state.va.us and click on crossbow proposal on left menu bar. Let's all just agree to disagree. I for one, as previously stated, hope and pray the proposal does not pass. And for RKOCH, having deer pass just out of range, yet still close enough you can see every muscle twitch is one of the thrills of bowhunting. Watching these animals as they walk around just out of bow range has taught me more than any number of OLN shows and store bought videos could ever teach me. The sounds they make, the way they interact with others. This is why I bowhunt, the closeness with the beast. You don't get this with a highpowered rifle that shoots aluminum bolts. I admittedly use a compound bow during archery season and admit that this gets away from the primitive nature of archery season, but a crossbow would really be a step in the wrong direction. I beg and pray the proposal does not pass. Make your thoughts heard and contact VDGIF. DOn't argue on a message board that is meaningless.

In the words of Ted Nugent....."The beast is dead, Long live the beast!" Good hunting everyone.

[RANGER690]

Hoooooly Cow. You have a very level head. Please refrain from posting that kind of civil dribble. Kinda takes all the fun out of the cyber fighting.[smile]

Any way, I thought you were okay until the last line where you quoted the moron.

Good hunting.

Dayton

[RKOCH]

I don't bow hunt for the sport of it. I started bow hunting for the extra 7 weeks of deer hunting not to make an OLN video. If I could get away with using a high power rifle in bow season I would but I can settle for a crossbow. Wait we do now never mind.

[AdamCSA79]

Hey Ranger.....I'm not a Nuge fan....I just think it's funny to see someone that messed up by doing more drugs than any 20 people should do going hunting. That guy id really messed up in the head.[tongue]

[Stickin Em]

Nuge does drugs??????

[earlyriser]

I do drugs

[seal]

Lighten up guys!! those crossbows are loud enough to scare away an elephant!!!!! Besides the bag limit's are so liberal what difference does it make. Besides that, real HUNTERS don't complain they just deal with it!

[RKOCH]

Were not hunters we are harvesters.

[earlyriser]

Im not a harvester I am a hunter

[RKOCH]

Bet you hate comm fishermen too?

[earlyriser]

I dont hate, I just dont agree with commercial catfisherman. Commercial striper guys I dont have a problem with either.

[earlyriser]

I dont hate, but just dont agree with commercial catfishermen. The commercial striper guys I dont have a problem with.

[RANGER690]

I don't see how I can be called a harvester. My wife knows that I spend lots of time and money on it, but very seldom bring any meat home.

Hunter?
Harvester?

I have no clue.

Dayton

[AdamCSA79]

Don't hate commercial fisherman, just hate that when regulations are changed only the recreational fisherman is hurt. Start putting harsher limits one the commercial fisherman and let me catch what I want. I only keep enough to make a couple meals anyway, cause I hate cleaning fish. And I'm not a harvester, I'm an outdoorsman.

[RKOCH]

Well I do fish commercially I think the rules are too hard on us now. Yes you want a few meals I see nothing wrong with that. I am trying to make a living. Yes I rec fish too. On a good note I don't comm fish for cats so you can all brethe easy now. I could not in good faith sell someone a cat from the James knowing the PCB's, Kepone and other things that are in that cat. Hell I don't even eat catfish just like to catch them.

[earlyriser]

I dont think I could do the commercial fishing thing, it seems the rules are way to difficult for me to understand, however I am sure there is a reason for them.

[kepone cats]

RKOCK does have a heart! [grin]

[naked goby]

Rcock has a heart? In this thread he tells us he is a commercial watermen, and in another he brags about being a poacher.

[RANGER690]

Do they look like this?
http://www.gifts4fishing.com/acatalog/minnow-corkscrew.jpg

[RKOCH]

naked goby originally wrote:
Rcock has a heart? In this thread he tells us he is a commercial watermen, and in another he brags about being a poacher.



Whats wrong with a little Poachin? Nothing!! It is a fine southern tradition.

[NoPainNoGain]

Hell yes, too many got-damn deer everywhere as it is. I feel bad for the purist bow hunters who will see new yahoos - but the sheer volume of deer suggests there is plenty to go around. Kill those f*ckers year round I say.

And open up Sunday! It's 2005 for godssake - why close hunting on Sunday? To force bubba to go to church? or to give the deer a chance to "rest up"?!?!?! Deer are like rats, just bigger. Kill them please.

[RKOCH]

Man we must be from the same mother or something right on! My feelings exactlly.[excited]

For all of you who have not heard they approved it and the crossbows are in! Let the slaughter begin![excited][excited]

[buckeye]

To those of you who think this like gun hunting, Boy are you in for a rude awaking! Crossbows have been legal here in Ohio for years. The general trend today years later is to go back to vertical bow(LONG BOW) hunting. Crossbows are okay, but most get bored with them. You still will need to get up close. I say inside 30 yards. Others say 40 or 50 but that to me would be pushing it. they just aren't effective at those ranges.

[RKOCH]

Like I have said before inside of 100 yards it is dead. I have killed them at 125 before with a crossbow. If you know your equipment and practice regular one can acheive more than those meger 30 to 50 yard shots.

[soimcrazy]

so what are the details on the crossbow season? will the season run the entire bow season?

[buckeye]

KROCH

At 100 yard I would let you shoot a ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPPPLLLLEEEEAAASSSSEEEE!!!!!!! I thought we were adaults he !

[RKOCH]

OK I will post a pic of the one I killed at 125 with my compound crossbow.

For that matter I have killed deer with my reg compound bow at 80 yards so what s the big deal? If you hit it in the right place it will die with little force still driving the arrow. I am the master of un ethical shots I afirmly beleive if you can wound it you can kill it! A many at those ranges I have put arrows in and chased down and shot again. A dead deer is a dead deer. If it bleeds I will find it. Keep passing up those that are not one shot one kill bow shots and I will keep taking the long shots and I bet I have more deer at the end of the year. The one with the most deer wins.

[buckeye]

Sorry I ever acknowledged this one!!!!!!

[RKOCH]

I'm sorry us southern boys do things a bit different from you yankees up yonder.

[ketch69]

Easy now..Don't put the rest of us Southern Boys in this.


DEAN

[soimcrazy]

I was in Dances Sporting Goods Saturday and learned that the season will be October 1 - Jan 7.
heres a paste:
At the June 23, 2005, meeting of the Board of Game and Inland Fisheries the Board approved the use of crossbows for hunting during the upcoming fall hunting season. Previously, only disabled hunters could hunt with crossbows.

Crossbows will be legal to use by any hunter during the upcoming 2005-2006 hunting season.
If a crossbow is used during any archery season (including the urban archery season) a hunter must have a crossbow license. The license fee is $12 for residents and $25 for non-residents plus the $.50 agent fee.

Crossbow licenses may be obtained from clerks or agents who sell hunting licenses. Licenses will be available through automated license delivery systems, such as at Wal-Mart or on the Internet, July 1st. Paper licenses sold at non-automated license agent facilities will be available sometime in early August.
Disabled hunters unable to use conventional archery equipment will no longer need a doctor's certification to use a crossbow. All they will need will be the crossbow license when using the crossbow during an archery season.
If a hunter chooses to use both conventional archery tackle and a crossbow during any archery season they would need both an archery license when using the conventional bow and a crossbow license when using the crossbow.
If a hunter chooses to use a crossbow during the general firearms season, no crossbow license will be required (just as there is no requirement for a person to have an archery license if using conventional archery equipment during the firearms season).
The laws governing the use of archery tackle also apply to crossbow tackle (e.g., arrowhead widths, no explosive devices on tips, etc.)

[kepone cats]

You guys are pityfull.!

[RKOCH]

Why because we like to kill deer.

[vaflounder73]

No RKOCH it's because you talk out of your ass. Why don't you grow up and stop acting like a dumb ass!

[RKOCH]

Why because I am not a save the fish and deer wildlife conservationist like you all? I catch / kill what I want, when I want, how I want and with what tackle I see fit period!!!! Hell growing up I never knew deer had to be tagged or you need a lic till I was 21 they just did not do that kind of thing. You all keep belly aching and conserving all that fish and game so I have plenty to harvest. Sounds like a bunch of yankees up round here now give me a break. What ever happend to the good old southern redneck way?

[kepone cats]

First of all....
Guys that are into getting numbers of deer or quanitity of deer, by shooting up does and scrub bucks, do so because they can not harvest mature quality bucks.

There are a bunch of guys out there like that. It is unfortunate!

[kepone cats]

..

[kepone cats]

[kepone cats]

It is guys like you that give hunting a bad name. I have made a couple of bad shots on deer during my hunting career and I felt so bad I thought about qutting... at least for a while. If you take irresponsible shots at deer and do not care if you wound one and it runs 3 miles and dies, you are not a man. Your a killer and a game hog not a hunter. God gave man the privilege to be stewards of the animals and fish on this earth. We are to obey the laws and regulations set forth by the State/VDGIF. It sounds like you are not going to change your tune until the man burns you real good. And then you will probably still revert back to your white trash methods of hunting until they take your rights from you, lock you up and fine you. All I can say is your days are numbered because as you get a little more comfortable with poaching you will gradually become more and more careless. One day you will be at the wrong place at the wrong time and it will do pretty. I hold no grudge against you and forgive you for taking advantage of the critters I love to pursue. May God Bless you and may His countenance shine upon you. -Kepone

[RKOCH]

No one said poaching? Just hunting that you call unethical 100 yard bow shots , shoot a leg off to slow him down, 300 win mag in the a$$ things like that. Perfectly legal just unethical in your book. I came from the mountains where nothing was ever tagged people hunted on sunday, night whatever, we hunt to eat not for show. Everything I kill is tagged and shot in season but I ain't lettin' nothin' legal walk. Yes I filled my lic tags and 14 sets of bonus tags last year does eat just as good to me. If it is brown it is down! Period! I have some huge bucks on the wall one was the 125 yard shot with the crossbow. Now you would have let him go and he would just have been a story to tell. I crippled his a$$ and tracked him down and slit his throat with a knife that is hunting! Keep trophy hunting that is fine I have had my fill of it it is freezer time now! Plus I think all man is born with a killing instinct to surrvive some people take it out on other people and some of us take it out on deer. When I kill something illegal then you my call me a poacher but so far I have not lets not use the word poach!

[kepone cats]

poach- to hunt or fish unlawfully

[RKOCH]

That is correct and there is nothing unlawful about the way I hunt just unethical as far as you are concerned. I don't tresspass, shoot on sunday, hunt from the road or anything like that I even have a crossbow permit. So check your facts first.

[kepone cats]

I apolpgize for my statment. However, your previous posts seem to indicate or imply that you practice unlawful hunting and fishing methods. Kepone

[BillyBoy_]

I didn't intend on getting involved with this one, but RKOCH, you did write the following: "Just because you have a problem with us good ole redneck boys harvesting deer and doing alittle poachin don't talk $hit about us that do! Welcome to the real world there are more that are in our boat that just don't let on. So please take you ethics somewhere else. "

http://www.tidalfish.com/boards2/viewthread.asp?forum=AMB%5FAP207909636&id=8835&sr1=poach&sr2=&ExMth=no#post8936

[RKOCH]

That is correct I just suggested it the man were to bow hunt on his property who would know he did it . I never said shoot deer out of season, at night or no tags nothing like that. I was refering to the fact if he wanted to hunt on a small piece of proprty with a bow he would not be bothering anyone because no one could hear him. Not that he could break ever law and get away with it. Lets not take things out of context.

[kepone cats]

Let's let this thread die. It's getting old. -Kepone

[RKOCH]

Agreed lets drop this!

[petekilch]

One last thing..........

Ted Nugent is the man. He is a true asset to hunting in general and Bowhunting inparticular. Do your homework on Uncle Ted then re-read your negative comments.

Pete

[RANGER690]

Sorry.....don't like Ted. Bad for hunting.

Dayton

[petekilch]

RANGER690 originally wrote:
Sorry.....don't like Ted. Bad for hunting.

Dayton


Don't like him all you want, that's up to you.

But how in the world can you make the claim he is bad for hunting ? Like I said, do some homework on him and what impact he has on hunting and I'm certain you will think differently.

Pete

[kepone cats]

Ted is good for introducing metal heads to hunting. Being a hunter and looking at his sloppyness and methodology makes me a little weak.

[RANGER690]

Staring into a tv camera, warming his hands over a fresh gut pile, and saying "Happiness is a big fresh gutpile" is not an image that is helpful to hunting.

I saw that. Since then, I turn the channel/page. I have no desire to look into it further.

No grudge to anyone who thinks differently. Just my opinion.

I wouldn't let my son go hunting/fishing with him. I guess that is a good indicator.

Dayton

[Stickin Em]

"The beast is dead,,,,Long live the beast!!!!"
"Please excuse me while I kiss the sky"

[ketch69]

I couldn't have said it better Steven.


DEAN who also loves a fresh gutpile

[AdamCSA79]

Y ou guys are crazy. I started replying to this thread to express my disapproval of crossbow hunting.....but since then I check it regularly for a good laugh. People arguing strenuously with someone who blows smoke in your a$$ to get a response, arguing over what Nuge does to or for hunting. Ya'll are too damn funny. I disagree with the crossbows. 'nough said. As for the Nuge. He does alot of positive things for hunting while simultaneously doing alot of negative for hunting. He is a hunting advocate, albeit an extremist. He does for hunting, what PETA does for anti-hunting. He puts across the message hunters want put across, but tends to do it in a way hunters disagree with.......but nonetheless, gets the message across. "Backstraps for the Bar-B-Que!!!" Speaking of backstraps....my Dad just got back from a successful black bear hunt in New Brunswick Canada. Bear backstraps are absolutely delicious on the grill. He is booking another trip next year and I will be going too, this time. If you've never eat bear...I reccomend it. Good hunting to all in the quickly approaching season. And to all of you who choose to hunt with crossbow this year.....may your stands be noisy and your odor be pungent.

[RANGER690]

Here is something if you are seriously bored. Same trash over and ever again. Decent site though.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=198045

I don't care what you hunt with. If won't wish you misfortune. We should all be in this together. There are plenty of non-hunters praying we all have squeaky stands.

Dayton

[petekilch]

RANGER690 originally wrote:


I don't care what you hunt with. I won't wish you misfortune. We should all be in this together. There are plenty of non-hunters praying we all have squeaky stands.

Dayton



Dayton, well put !!! We are all in this together. Good Hunting !!!

Pete

[petekilch]

Damn double post.........[grin][grin][grin]